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Plans hidden broadcasts: a path segment starting with . below the requested prefix is left out of announce discovery unless the request opts in. Clients that predate the opt-in never see these paths (except authenticated cluster peers during rollout), so platforms can add .-named broadcasts without breaking deployed apps that list everything. moq.pro broke a customer this way with <pid>/.pro/stats.

  • lite-07 opt-in on ANNOUNCE_REQUEST; an IETF SUBSCRIBE_NAMESPACE parameter gated on a SETUP extension, with the unsolicited PUBLISH_NAMESPACE loop sending only visible paths. lite-07 is shared with docs(quest): plan m2 lite-07 announcement prefix table #3938 (announce prefix table).
  • Filtered on the serving side; per-call API in Rust and JS, plus moq-ffi, libmoq, the hand-written wrappers, and doc/lib/*.
  • Peers opt in, with a temporary exemption for older lite and IETF cluster peers during rollout.

The moq.pro side is planned in moq-dev/moq.pro#1795.

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Positive improvement? Yes. This is a clean fix for a real break: platforms cannot add internal .-named broadcasts (stats, .pro/…) without old “list everything and play what you find” clients discovering them. Dot-segment hiding matches a familiar convention, and the asymmetry is right—discovery is opt-in, exact subscribe and a prefix that is the dot path stay unrestricted. Non-goals are correctly drawn (not ACL, not a publisher flag, not suffixes).

Worth the complexity? Yes for this shape. A wire opt-in on lite-07 ANNOUNCE_REQUEST (older versions decode as off) plus an IETF SUBSCRIBE_NAMESPACE parameter is the minimum that keeps deployed clients safe. Serving-side filter (lite + IETF + local origin) is the right place so hidden paths never leak. The temporary authenticated-cluster exemption for pre-lite-07 peers is pragmatic; calling out its deletion as a follow-up is good. Open items left honest (Rust per-scope opt-in → which ANNOUNCE_REQUEST, and whether the default-hide behavior retargets to dev) belong in the plan, not postponed silently.

Different approach? Client-side filtering fails the stated goal (old clients never opt in). A publisher “hidden” flag or a parallel internal namespace would work but costs more API surface and still needs discovery gating; name-as-signal is simpler and matches how moq.pro already named .pro/stats. Keeping tokens as the access boundary (not this feature) is correct.

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  • Call out the intentional behavior change for existing clients that today see mesh paths like .internal/origins when listing a parent: after this ships without opt-in, those disappear from discovery. That is likely desired; say so so reviewers do not treat it as a regression.
  • Spell the segment rule once with one concrete example matrix (a/.b/c under a/, under a/.b/, exact a/.b/c) so implementers do not invent edge cases.
  • Pair with moq-dev/moq.pro#1795 so the platform side does not land stats under . before the wire/API is ready.

Plan is ready to land as the m1 quest.

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Adds a “Hidden broadcasts” entry to the m1 quest list and a quest document describing the proposed discovery rule. The document covers opt-in behavior, planned protocol and API changes, serving-side filtering, cluster peer handling, tests, non-goals, and a related quest. These changes document a proposal; they do not implement the described behavior.

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- Around line 8-9: Qualify the pre-opt-in visibility claims to preserve the
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- API, per call in both languages: JS `announced(scope, { hidden: true })`,
and in Rust the equivalent on the scoped consumer. Rust sends one
ANNOUNCE_REQUEST per literal head of the session's allowed patterns today,
so settle how a per-scope opt-in reaches its own request.

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P2 Badge Expose the opt-in through every binding

When a Python, Swift, Kotlin, Dart, Go, or C consumer needs to enumerate .stats or another hidden namespace, this plan adds opt-in controls only to the Rust and JS APIs. Those consumers use MoqAnnounceConfig or the equivalent C API, so they would receive the new default filtering without any way to request hidden paths. Include rs/moq-ffi, rs/libmoq, the hand-written wrappers, and their documentation and tests in the plan.

AGENTS.md reference: AGENTS.md:L94-L97

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Added a Bindings bullet to the Plan: the opt-in goes on the moq-ffi announce config, libmoq, the py/go/swift/kt/dart wrappers, and doc/lib/*. (written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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- Wire: lite-07 adds a hidden opt-in to ANNOUNCE_REQUEST. Every earlier lite
version decodes as not opted in. IETF sessions get the same opt-in as a
SUBSCRIBE_NAMESPACE parameter, absent meaning hidden. Specify both in
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P1 Badge Negotiate the IETF opt-in before sending its parameter

When an upgraded client opts in while connected to an older peer on the same IETF draft, that peer will reject the new parameter rather than ignore it: decode_params! in rs/moq-net/src/ietf/parameters.rs returns InvalidValue for unknown message parameters, and the JS decoder throws as well. Since this plan adds no IETF version bump or capability negotiation, using the new API against an unupgraded server can fail the namespace request or session instead of degrading to no hidden results. Add a negotiated extension gate before emitting the parameter, as is already done for cluster parameters.

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Planned: the IETF parameter is sent only after a SETUP extension confirms the peer understands it, like the cluster parameters. (written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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- Wire: lite-07 adds a hidden opt-in to ANNOUNCE_REQUEST. Every earlier lite
version decodes as not opted in. IETF sessions get the same opt-in as a
SUBSCRIBE_NAMESPACE parameter, absent meaning hidden. Specify both in
`drafts/` and validate with `just drafts check`.
PR #3938 (announce prefix table) also claims lite-07: whichever lands first
defines the version, and the other joins it or bumps to the next.
- Filter on the serving side, where `lite/publisher.rs` already scopes a
request to its prefix and the token, and in the IETF publisher, so a hidden
path never reaches a session that did not ask. The local origin consumer
applies the same rule, so in-process and remote discovery agree.

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P1 Badge Handle unsolicited IETF namespace advertisements

For IETF peers that do not require MoQ Solicit, run_publish_namespaces currently sends every namespace unsolicited, while run_subscribe_namespace_stream deliberately replaces the requested origin with origin.empty() (rs/moq-net/src/ietf/publisher.rs:1632-1657,1726-1733). A flag carried only by SUBSCRIBE_NAMESPACE therefore cannot control this default path: either hidden namespaces still leak unsolicited, or filtering them leaves an opted-in request unable to recover them. Define and test how the unsolicited loop sends only visible paths while an opted-in request supplies hidden ones without duplicating visible advertisements.

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Planned: without Solicit, the unsolicited PUBLISH_NAMESPACE loop sends only visible paths and an opted-in SUBSCRIBE_NAMESPACE adds just the hidden ones. (written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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- Cluster peers opt in, so `.internal/origins` and an embedder's dot paths
still cross the mesh. For the rollout only, a relay treats an authenticated
cluster peer that negotiated below lite-07 as opted in, so a mixed-version
mesh keeps its dot paths. Delete that exemption in a follow-up once
deployments run lite-07 everywhere.

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P1 Badge Preserve hidden routes across legacy IETF cluster peers

During a mixed-version rollout using moq-transport between relays, an old authenticated cluster peer cannot send the new opt-in, so the upgraded relay will hide .internal/origins and break gossip across that edge. Relay cluster dials explicitly support any request-path-capable moq-transport version (rs/moq-relay/src/cluster.rs:1302-1317), but this exemption and its test cover only peers below lite-07. Extend the rollout exemption and regression coverage to authenticated IETF cluster peers that predate the feature.

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Extended the rollout exemption and its test to authenticated IETF cluster peers that predate the opt-in. (written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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Addressed review before auto-merge: added a Bindings bullet (moq-ffi, libmoq, wrappers, doc/lib/*), qualified the pre-opt-in claims for the cluster-peer rollout exemption, noted lite-07 is shared with #3938, gated the IETF parameter on a SETUP extension, planned the unsolicited PUBLISH_NAMESPACE path, and extended the rollout exemption to older IETF cluster peers. just check passes. (written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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MoQ Solicit, IETF discovery is the unsolicited PUBLISH_NAMESPACE loop and
SUBSCRIBE_NAMESPACE carries nothing, so that loop sends only visible paths
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P2 Badge Serve explicitly named hidden prefixes without Solicit

When an IETF peer does not negotiate MoQ Solicit and subscribes directly to .stats, this design still leaves the result empty: the unsolicited root loop omits .stats/..., while only an opted-in request is specified to add anything. That contradicts the goal that naming the dot segment lists its contents without an opt-in. The solicited response needs to send the delta visible from its explicit prefix, including .stats/..., rather than only results requested with hidden: true. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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still cross the mesh. For the rollout only, a relay treats an authenticated
cluster peer that predates the opt-in (below lite-07, or an IETF peer
without the extension) as opted in, so a mixed-version mesh keeps its dot
paths. Delete that exemption in a follow-up once deployments upgrade.

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P1 Badge Identify legacy cluster sessions before exempting them

When a pre-opt-in static cluster peer dials an upgraded relay, this exemption cannot currently be scoped as written: Cluster::run_remote_session uses the ordinary client/JWT connection, and Connection::authorize treats a missing role as generic bidirectional traffic, so the accepting side has no cluster-peer marker. Exempting every authenticated bidirectional legacy session would keep exposing dot paths to the old applications this quest is intended to protect, while exempting none breaks .internal/origins during rollout. Define an authenticated cluster marker and test that ordinary legacy clients are not exempt; this planning quest needs to settle that decision. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol) quest/CLAUDE.mdL10-L12

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