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quest(m1): same-epoch importers derive one coordinate, active-active - #5438

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Problem

#5412 settled the redundant-TS coordinate as first-importer adoption: the epoch's first importer fixes the catalog clock and era, and later importers read the live catalog and adopt them. That needs a first importer, which a co-start cannot name (both importers of a pair restart together), and detection through each importer's own relay fails in a cluster. It also forced a subscribe grant on publish-only --epoch tokens and a successor epoch after any total outage.

Separately, the #4352 fix (announce once tracks are known) needs none of this but was buried inside hop-aligned-import.

Approach

  • Commit 1 splits quest/m1/import-announce-tracks.md [S] out of hop-aligned-import. It closes A --hop standby that connects to the relay its subscribers are on ends every one of them with not found #4352 and is ready now.
  • Commit 2 rewrites epoch-anchor around derivation. Each importer derives the catalog clock, each timestamp's era, and any history-derived catalog field from the epoch (a UUIDv7, so a shared ms wall time) and its own source. Nothing reads the relay, waits on a peer, or exits for one.
  • Recommended in the quest: derive every value's era statelessly, not just each base's first. A restart, a PMT-added base, or a sparse base then needs no special case. A forward break carrying media time past half a period from the epoch clock reads as a rewind and stays fatal on both importers alike.
  • catalog-clock-adopt moves from Required to Related, since Timebase::place installs a derived clock exactly and nothing reads a catalog back.
  • hop-aligned-import, ts-passthrough-epoch-cuts, import-announce-tracks, and the m1 README drop the joiner/adopt/incumbent language. What still holds is kept, such as generated tracks numbered from the epoch timeline. Sizes are unchanged.

Decisions

Split #4352 out of hop-aligned-import:

  1. ✅ [S] m1 quest, ready now
  2. After epoch-anchor
  3. Keep inside hop-aligned-import

Goal (maintainer, 2026-10-13):

  1. ✅ Importers sharing an explicit epoch all stay live (active-active). Each derives the same coordinate from the epoch and the source alone, so output is identical without coordination, and none ever exits.
  2. One importer is first and others adopt (quest(m1): settle the shared coordinate for redundant TS #5412)
  3. A co-started importer watches the peer's announcement and exits
  4. External leader or anchor flag
  5. Co-start as an unsupported precondition

Catalog wall-clock mapping:

  1. ✅ Derive it from the epoch: media time maps to wall through the epoch's wall time plus the deterministic era, so every importer writes the same mapping. Accuracy is bounded by how well the epoch's wall time matches the source; documented. The exact rule stays open research. Recommended: PTS zero one period before the epoch's wall time (E - period, rounded to a whole µs), with the era chosen against that clock. This keeps timestamps non-negative, maps a source reading zero at E exactly, and puts it half a period from the era boundary. A format that never wraps uses PTS zero at E.
  2. No wall mapping under a shared epoch
  3. Quantize each importer's measured offset

Reversals of #5412 decisions, each recorded as superseded with its reason:

  1. ✅ (a) A joiner no longer reads the live catalog, so the subscribe-grant breaking change for publish-only --epoch tokens (and its doc/bin/cli.md / doc/bin/relay/auth.md notes) is dropped.
  2. ✅ (b) The era comes from the epoch. For each timestamp base, it is the number of periods nearest the epoch's clock against the arrival wall clock. Importers agree except when skew straddles a half-period boundary (about 1e-7); documented. This replaces verification against the incumbent's objects.
  3. ✅ (c) A restart under the same epoch, including after a total outage, re-derives the same coordinate. A rewind stays fatal (feat(moq-mux)!: importers publish stream timestamps with monotonic group starts; the catalog clock maps them to wall #4543) and needs a successor epoch. Never roll to a successor in-process.
  4. ✅ (d) History-derived catalog fields (TS M2ts random_access, mux_rate, others) derive from the epoch plus content, not the live catalog.

Same-epoch, different-content guard in the relay or model:

  1. ✅ Not now; recorded as a known gap in epoch-anchor's Plan. Nothing refuses such routes, and failover resumes mid-group across them (rs/moq-net/src/model/resume.rs).
  2. A quest for it

Era split near the halfway point (Codex review):

  1. ✅ Keep 3(b) and document the bound. epoch-anchor records the co-start odds (skew over period, about 1e-7 at 10 ms) and the case where drift reaches the halfway point mid-run, so a single importer reads a rewind and fails.
  2. Refuse to start inside a guard band of the halfway point

Still open, reworded under derivation:

  1. ✅ The successor epoch's anchor stays open in epoch-anchor. The question is how a supervisor gets one successor for both importers without coordination; proposed: derive it from the old epoch and the last frame's catalog time.
  2. ✅ The same-timestamp group tie-breaker stays open in hop-aligned-import.

Impact

Quest-only; no code, public API, or wire change. The planned behavior differs from #5412: --epoch needs no subscribe right, and the shared-epoch root clock comes from the epoch.

Follow-ups

  • ts-passthrough-epoch-cuts still has to settle the M2ts rule. Recommended: per grid window, with the catalog published once a whole window is seen.
  • Possible later: a tool that mints an epoch whose wall time matches a source's clock phase, tightening the mapping bound.

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Every importer sharing an explicit epoch derives its catalog clock, eras,
and history-derived catalog fields from the epoch and its source alone, so
all stay live and none adopts or exits. Supersedes #5412's first-importer
adoption, join-time verification, subscribe grant, and successor epoch after
a total outage.

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Comment thread quest/m1/epoch-anchor.md Outdated
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value nearest its arrival on the epoch's clock, as the importer's wall clock
reads it. The source's offset from the wall clock is the same for every
importer, so they agree unless their delivery and host-clock skew straddles
a half-period boundary of that offset: about skew over the period, near
1e-7 for 10 ms against TS's 26.5 h. Document that bound. Add the periods in

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P1 Badge Derive the era without importer-local arrival time

When the source-to-epoch phase is within the importers' delivery or host-clock skew of a half-period boundary, choosing the nearest era from each local arrival clock makes the importers select adjacent eras, so valid same-stream publishers emit timestamps differing by 2^33 ticks and failover splices incompatible coordinates. Because --epoch is operator-supplied, this is not merely a random 1e-7 risk, and documenting the probability does not provide the promised active-active guarantee; use only shared inputs or explicitly refuse ambiguous configurations.

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Holding this one for the maintainer rather than changing it here: the 2026-10-13 decision was to take the era from the epoch against the arrival wall clock and document the ~1e-7 split, so either fix suggested would revise a recorded decision.

On the two options:

  • Only shared inputs: the epoch's wall time is the only shared value, and it carries no source phase, so the era has to use some local observation.
  • Refuse ambiguous configurations: an importer could refuse to start when its measured offset sits within a guard band of the half-period point. If the band is at least the inter-importer skew, importers then either agree or refuse, never split. The cost is choosing that band.

On "operator-supplied": with the recommended rule (PTS zero at E - period), a source reading zero at the epoch's wall time, such as a stream started when the epoch was minted, sits half a period from the boundary. Landing on the boundary would take an epoch picked against the source phase on purpose.

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Maintainer decision (2026-10-13): keep 3(b). The era comes from the epoch against the arrival wall clock, and the bound is documented rather than guarded, so there's no guard band and no new constant.

epoch-anchor now records both failure cases in one bullet:

  • Importers that start together split with odds of about skew over the period (near 1e-7 at 10 ms).
  • The source-to-wall gap drifts by seconds a day, so over weeks it can reach the halfway point mid-run, where even a single importer reads a rewind and fails.

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The PR revises M1 quest documents. The plans specify independent derivation of importer clocks and timestamp eras from an epoch, epoch-based catalog and TS track data, and restart test coverage. A new quest specifies delaying importer announcements until tracks are available. The plans also update the documented --epoch requirements and remove issue #4352 from the hop-aligned import quest’s Closes list.

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These documentation changes do not alter runtime behavior, but the epoch plan overpromises agreement under documented skew and the TS gate may leave later-added tracks unlisted. Clarify both before relying on the quests to guide implementation.

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Linked Issues check Warning Issue #4352 requires the standby announcement fix and a regression test. The new quest/m1/import-announce-tracks.md describes delaying announcements until tracks are known, but the PR is quest-only.… Implement delayed announcement in the moq import paths. Add the #4352 regression test with a serving incumbent and a newcomer that connects before its PMT. Verify that existing subscribers continue running.
Out of Scope Changes check Warning The announcement quest is related to #4352. The changes to quest/m1/epoch-anchor.md, quest/m1/hop-aligned-import.md, and quest/m1/ts-passthrough-epoch-cuts.md instead define same-epoch derivatio… Move the epoch-anchor, same-epoch, and M2ts planning changes to separate pull requests with appropriate linked issues. Keep this pull request limited to the #4352 announcement work and its implementation and regression test.
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Title check Passed The title clearly summarizes the main change: same-epoch importers independently derive a shared coordinate and support active-active operation.
Description check Passed The description is directly related to the changeset. It explains the epoch-coordinate redesign, the split of the track-announcement quest, scope, decisions, and follow-ups.
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Issue #4352 requires the standby announcement fix and a regression test. The new quest/m1/import-announce-tracks.md describes delaying announcements until tracks are known, but the PR is quest-only. It adds no importer implementation and no automated regression test. The issue remains unresolved in code.

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- Around line 5-10: Qualify the Goal’s identical-timestamps-and-catalogs
guarantee to state that importers may select different eras at a half-period
boundary due to delivery or host-clock skew; update the corresponding README
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Every importer publishing one path under one explicit `--epoch`, fed one
stream, derives its catalog root clock and each timestamp's era from the
epoch and the source alone. They all stay live (active-active) and publish
identical timestamps and catalogs whenever each started, including on
opposite sides of a 33-bit TS wrap or a flagged forward break, and after a
restart under the same epoch. No importer reads another's broadcast, waits

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Qualify the identity guarantee.

Line 10 promises identical timestamps and catalogs whenever importers start. Lines 38–41 allow delivery and host-clock skew to select different eras at a half-period boundary. State this limit in the Goal, and update the summary in quest/m1/README.md Lines 87–88 to match.

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catalog lists the tracks the importer will publish: for TS, the first PMT; for
the other formats, whatever first declares their tracks. An importer that

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Do not use the first PMT as the TS catalog gate.

Import::handle_pmt processes later PMTs and can add supported streams with new PIDs. The initial reservation is released when the first PES anchors the catalog. Therefore, a later PMT can add a publishable track after the broadcast is announced. A consumer may query that track before it is listed.

Define and document a gate that waits until the selected program's PMT layout is complete, including later PMT updates.

Suggested quest wording
--- "a/quest/m1/import-announce-tracks.md"
+++ "b/quest/m1/import-announce-tracks.md"
@@ -17,7 +17,8 @@
 millisecond, the standby answered `not found` for each before parsing its PMT,
 and both `export ts` subscribers exited 15 ms later. Delay the announcement in
 the importers (`rs/moq-mux` import paths behind `moq import`) until the
-catalog lists the tracks the importer will publish: for TS, the first PMT; for
+catalog lists the tracks the importer will publish: for TS, only after the
+selected program's PMT layout is complete, including later PMT updates; for
 the other formats, whatever first declares their tracks. An importer that
 never learns its tracks never announces, and fails loud at its own deadline
 rather than announcing an empty broadcast.
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Review comment at @quest/m1/import-announce-tracks.md around lines 20 - 21:
Update the catalog announcement criteria in the quest wording: for TS, require
the selected program’s PMT layout to be complete, including later PMT updates,
rather than using the first PMT as the gate. Keep the existing criteria for
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