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Problem

A lite-07 relay believes a neighbour's copy of a publisher's claims only while that neighbour is strictly cheaper than the lowest cost the relay ever advertised (Babel's distance). That set moves whenever a cost or seqno moves, and the relay's claims move with it. The reviews of moq-dev/moq#8487 found, where neighbours know different parts of a publisher's claims:

• A relay forgets a claim for good once the neighbour that vouched for it returns (reproducers).
• The obvious fix flaps claims on every seqno advance, and one static mesh never settles.
• A relay behind a scoped neighbour never shows what a farther neighbour knows.
• A seqno storm that never settles under round-robin delivery (reproducer).

Neighbours know different parts only when a relay asks a neighbour for less than it wants, because its grant on that session is narrower. A mesh where every relay may see everything is unaffected. Federation and changing scopes, both m2 work, put relays in that position.

Approach

This PR first planned one rule: a relay believes any neighbour whose route did not cross it. Before merging I tried it on the router, and it fails. The plan is rewritten around what the experiments and the maintainer's answers settled.

What was tried. Each rule is a few lines behind a switch on main at 688312b9eb, run against #8487's reproducers and two new ones:

	Today	Believe any neighbour whose route did not cross the relay	Believe a neighbour cheaper than the relay is now, ignoring the seqno, and keep what it sent
The seqno storm mesh settles	no	no	yes
A returning neighbour brings its claims back	yes	yes	yes
A seqno advance changes nothing shown	yes	yes	yes
Two relays behind a scoped relay let a dead claim go	yes	no, kept for good	yes
The blind relay shows a farther neighbour's claim	no	yes, as available, with no route to request it	no
The rest of moq-net (3,763 tests, real-session meshes included)	pass	1 fails	1 fails

• The first plan's rule is unsound. One path per publisher cannot vouch for claims that reached the sender another way.
• The blind relay is not a belief bug. Today a relay believes exactly the neighbours it can forward a request to. Showing the far neighbour's claim leaves it unreachable: the relay's only route for a request is the scoped neighbour, which does not have the claim.
• lite-06 has neither problem. On release, over real sessions, the blind relay sees and resolves the far claim, and the two relays retract the dead one once. lite-06 carries a path on every announcement.
• The third column fixed the storm and the forgotten claim in about 25 lines with no wire change, and passed the triangle model exhaustively. The maintainer does not want belief to rest on distance, so it is recorded as rejected.

The plan now.

• quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/stale-copies.md [L]: a test-only router runs routing on paths alone, where a withdrawal names the hop that died. It is measured against today's router on the same meshes: loops, stale routes, messages per change, time to use a longer way round, and joining a cached copy. The maintainer picks the rule from the numbers. It also pins each known bug as a residual_ test.
• quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/scope-model.md [L]: the route model gets a route per publisher and scope, believed by its own path, on two prefixes and a scoped relay.
• quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/scope.md [XL]: the router, wire, draft, and tests implement it.
• quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/widen-false-end.md [M] and handoff-revival.md [M]: two bugs on main, found by running the sweeps to 20,000 scenarios in place of 150. See Follow-ups.
• quest/m3/route-keep-next-hop.md [S]: a relay stays on its next hop when an equal route appears.

Edited quests:

• quest/m3/cache-routing/README.md (Plan item 8) reopens the one-hop warm route, and quest/m2/cache-routing-proof.md now waits on the prototype.
• interest-set.md, quest/m1/route-inductive.md, and quest/m1/route-trace-validation.md wait on the model quest.
• quest/m2/cluster-routing/README.md and the routes epic (Plan item 26) record the decisions.

Decisions

Asked in this /quest-plan (maintainer, 2026-11-11). Items 1, 3, and 4 of the first round are superseded by the second.

First round:

1. Replace only how claims are certified; Babel and the hops stay. Superseded by 10.
2. Whether fix(net)!: a lite-07 route names the nodes it crossed, and is never feasible where it has been #8487 lands first. ✅ Land it now: moq.pro's main pins a moq with this route layer and both fleets offer moq-lite-07-wip between relays. It merged.
3. The goal: what a relay shows depends only on what its neighbours currently send. Superseded: a relay keeps what it learned while a route covers the claim, since the newest floor wins (routes epic Plan item 19) and a computed view would bring back a withdrawn claim.
4. A relay behind a scoped neighbour believes any neighbour whose path does not pass through it. Superseded by 9 and 11.
5. How much to take on. ✅ The model before the router. Rejected: the model alone; recording the findings and waiting for federation.
6. Milestone. ✅ m2, in the routes epic.
7. Keeping the next hop among equals. ✅ Its own quest in m3.
8. The m1 model quests. ✅ route-inductive and route-trace-validation wait on the model quest.

Second round, after the experiments:

9. Whose claims a relay believes. ✅ A route is shared per publisher and per scope, and a relay believes a route by that route's own path. Only a broadcast some relay carries gets its own route. Rejected: belief by the publisher's one path; belief by cost ("I don't really like depending on distance"); a path per announced prefix as lite-06 has.
10. What keeps a route free of loops and stale copies. Open. The maintainer: "Right now the hop list avoids loops but not stale copies. I don't know how to avoid that." The prototype measures Babel's distance against paths alone with a withdrawal that names what died, and the maintainer picks. This reopens "Keep Babel" (2026-10-13).
11. The blind relay. ✅ Plan it. The route per scope fixes it: the wider route is its own destination.
12. Cache-aware routing. ✅ Relitigate it: "I think we need warm routes propagating, that decision was made based on this flawed setup." A warm route is per broadcast and propagates. Its one-hop rule and its eligibility rule (cache routing Plan items 2 and 4) are reopened.
13. Routes to relays in place of publishers. ✅ No: "We shouldn't be trying to route to any specific relay."
14. The two bugs the deeper sweeps found. ✅ A quest each. Not picked: running the sweeps at 20,000 scenarios nightly.

Choices made without asking

• Three quests, not two. The prototype is separate from the model, because it compares two rules quickly in Rust, and the model then proves one. The first plan had the model do both.
• The prototype leaves the production router alone and lives under route/tests/. The router quest promotes or deletes it.
• quest/m2/cache-routing-proof.md gains a Required on the prototype while its PR, moq-dev/moq#8457, is open and ready. That PR proves the one-hop warm route and carries it in lite-07. I did not touch it; another session pushed to it within the hour. It should not land until decision 10 is made.
• The model quest's recommendations (the prefix as a field of ROUTE_START, the newest floor among one publisher's routes, a request taking the narrowest route that covers its claim) are mine, and the model may overturn them. How a request picks among nested scopes without looping is unsolved.
• The answers to fix(net)!: a lite-07 route names the nodes it crossed, and is never feasible where it has been #8487's late review notes ride here, as before: the verify-route skill's simulation bounds, the draft's zero or repeated Hop ID, the routes epic's hops-alone sentence, route-inductive.md's invariant, and two test assertions.

Impact

None beyond one draft sentence and its changelog bullet, which describe what the code already does.

Alternatives

See Decisions.

Follow-ups

Both are new quests in this PR, on main at 688312b9eb, and the same whichever neighbours the router believes:

• Widening an interest ends no live claim: 25 of 20,000 scenarios of sweep_scoped_handoff report END for a claim the publisher still has. The quest holds one shrunk to 13 steps.
• The handoff sweep revives no ended claim: scenario 16316 of sweep_handoff starts a claim again after its END. Not traced.

Other PRs:

• moq-dev/moq#8457 (cache routing proof): see above.
• moq-dev/moq#8479 (mesh model) and moq-dev/moq#8443 (js/net) trail fix(net)!: a lite-07 route names the nodes it crossed, and is never feasible where it has been #8487's hops and must adapt.

Checks

• quest check --base origin/main: 519 documents ok.
• just check: passed at 16aba067b3, after merging main.

Models

Size: M
Implementer: Claude Code, claude-fable-5-2, high effort

Review

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• Reviewer: Codex, gpt-6.1-sol, medium effort
• Session: 01a1cc57-fba9-7f22-828c-f56bcf209271, round 1
• Head: 16aba06
• Base: origin/main at 60e62a3
• Score: 9/10, Source review found no actionable defects in the documentation and assertion changes, but tests and builds were not run as instructed.
• Findings: none

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ℹ️ No critical issues — a few plan references that point at the wrong thing. The added test assertions pass locally and the docs match the code otherwise.

Reviewed changes

• Two new quests. certify-model.md [L] replaces distance-based certification with a path-based rule on a two-prefix, scoped model and pins #8487's four findings as residual_ tests; certify.md [XL] implements the settled rule in the router and draft.
• Epic records the decision. Cluster routing reaffirms Babel plus hops, routes/README.md gains Plan item 26, and item 25's hop-only pruning exception now names crossing and the hop limit.
• m1 quests wait on the model. route-inductive.md and route-trace-validation.md require the model quest; interest-set.md takes its two prefixes from it.
• New m3 quest. route-keep-next-hop.md prefers the current next hop among equal routes, with #8487's measurements.
• Two scoped tests assert qualified-key presence. Both scoped-copy tests now check shows(near, key, "local/x") on the qualified key, answering the #8487 coverage note. cargo test -p moq-net --lib route::tests:: passes 71 tests, and rustfmt --edition 2024 --check and sh/text.sh are clean.
• Doc clarifications. The draft tolerates zero or repeated Hop IDs, matching the decode path, and the verify-route skill says TLC simulation still obeys the config's bounds.

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The Goal says the relay's grant is scoped, but the Work adds a scoped interest: a Scoped set of relays that ask for one of the two prefixes. RouteHandoff.tla's header and the verify-route skill's "Not covered" both record that the model has no scoped grants or qualified keys, so "grant" here asks for a much larger model than the Work describes. Say which one this quest adds.

[kixelated]

Fixed in 16aba06. The plan was rewritten, and the quests now say which: the model adds relays that ask a neighbour for one of two prefixes, and calls that prefix a scope. It adds no grants and no qualified keys.

(Written by Claude Fable 5 with high)

[pullfrog]

#8487 states that on a mesh with no scoped grants the behaviour still differs wherever main would have selected a route that crossed the node, so "no difference from the old router on meshes where every relay may see everything" is stronger than that PR's evidence. If the intended claim is that the reviews found no remaining bug outside meshes with differing prefixes, say that instead, since this sentence is what scopes the quest.

[kixelated]

Fixed in 16aba06. stale-copies.md now says the reviews found no remaining bug on a mesh where every relay may see everything, which is what #8487's evidence supports.

(Written by Claude Fable 5 with high)

[pullfrog]

The quoted sentence is the hold/recovery rule in the draft's Routing section (drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-lite.md:529), which is not about certification. The condition this work item should rewrite is the Floors sentence at drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-lite.md:460: "every peer whose last advertised route to it is feasible here has answered the current request". The hold rule keeps Babel's feasibility, as route selection does.

[kixelated]

Fixed in 16aba06. scope.md now names the Floors condition ("every peer whose last advertised route to it is feasible here has answered the current request") as the sentence to replace, and says the hold rule in Routing is not about belief and stays.

(Written by Claude Fable 5 with high)

[pullfrog]

The rule this points at is above this bullet, not below: the only place this file says the merge rule is unchanged is Settled item 1 ("so each prefix is certified exactly as one stream per prefix was, and the merge rule is unchanged"). Drop "below" or name that item, so the implementer does not look for a rule that is not there.

[kixelated]

Fixed in 16aba06: the bullet now names Settled item 1.

(Written by Claude Fable 5 with high)

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Walkthrough

The changes add planning documents for scoped routing, cache-routing comparisons, and routing scenarios. They also add a quest proposing equal-route next-hop retention and link to it from a related quest. The draft protocol text updates how it describes zero and repeated Hop IDs. The verification guidance changes simulation bounds and example parameters. Two routing tests add assertions about the qualified local claim shown by a near relay.

Merge Risk: Low · up to 3e70b

This change is mostly planning documentation, with no router or wire behavior change. One visibility rule in the scope model should say which revision certifies a claim before the design is implemented. Merging carries little risk, and the clarification can follow.

Pre-merge checks: 4

Check name	Status	Explanation
Title check		The title clearly summarizes the main changes: planning per-scope routes and creating a prototype to compare distance-based and path-based routing.
Description check		The description is directly related to the changeset. It explains the routing findings, planned prototype and model work, follow-up quests, decisions, and reported checks.
Linked Issues check		Check skipped because no linked issues were found for this pull request.
Out of Scope Changes check		Check skipped because no linked issues were found for this pull request.

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Review comments at @drafts/draft-lcurley-moq-lite.md:
- Line 497: Update the in-progress lite-07 routing changelog to record that
receivers tolerate zero or repeated Hop IDs without closing the session,
replacing lite-06’s repeated non-zero Hop ID protocol-violation behavior.

Review comments at @quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/certify-model.md:
- Around line 101-103: Update the `Seen` rule to show a neighbor’s claim only
when its certification is at the newest relevant revision, excluding stale
certifications; retain the lagging-neighbor case as a model scenario. Preserve
the non-crossing-path condition and leave `Stable` unchanged.
- Around line 81-83: Update the routing model described by “What it shows is
computed, not accumulated” to retain relevant withdrawal revision knowledge
after a neighbor disconnects, so an older claim from another current neighbor
cannot revive the withdrawal. Revise the current-neighbor-only goal accordingly
and preserve the behavior required by
an_older_complete_snapshot_revives_no_known_withdrawal.
- Line 15: Update the seqno statement in the route-certification description to
clarify that advancing a seqno does not change shown claims’ content or
presence, while availability may change when a route recovers. Revise the Work
section’s Stable description to cover only claim content and presence, excluding
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Review comments at @quest/m3/route-keep-next-hop.md:
- Around line 10-12: Update the route-message assertion description around
route_msgs to exclude initial link advertisements: describe checking that the
relay keeps its next hop and sends no next-hop-change ROUTE_UPDATE to existing
downstream sessions, rather than requiring the total route-message count to
remain unchanged.
- Line 33: Clarify how retaining the current next hop per identity handles
equal-ranked routes with different down_only export scopes, so it does not
retain a down-only route when that would suppress an advertisement the current
selector would send. Add a test covering an exportable equal-ranked route with a
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Specify which revision governs each claim.

If a relay knows a/x at revision 5 and receives a revision 6 floor for disjoint prefix b, it cannot determine whether a/x exists at revision 6. Specify that the comparison uses the newest known revision that certifies the claim.

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Review comment at @quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/scope-model.md around lines 11 - 12:
Clarify the claim-comparison rule in the scope model: compare each claim against the newest known revision that certifies that claim, not against a newer revision that only covers a disjoint prefix. State that a floor for prefix b does not establish whether a claim under prefix a exists at that revision.

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