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Problem

quest/m1/plan-ts-alignment.md gates same-epoch importers (#4352, #4354) and
deterministic TS legs. Today, two importers that share an --epoch agree
only if they started at the same packet:

  • --epoch reaches the route announcement and nothing else.
  • Each importer places its catalog clock when its own first frame arrives,
    or shifts onto a clock already in use by clock.now() (feat(mux)!: importers shift onto a catalog clock already in use #5082).
  • Each TS importer unwraps from its own first PCR or PTS.
  • Passthrough fallback cuts count from the importer's own start.
  • Group sequences are per-process counters.

On egress, the export's slots already follow media time. But continuity
counters are per process, the skip test is ignored, and there is no RTP
egress. ST 2022-7 needs matching RTP packets, headers included, so identical
TS is not enough.

Decisions

Which coordinate do same-epoch publishers share? (maintainer, 2026-10-13)

  1. ✅ An explicit anchor and era per epoch, for importers. The epoch's
    first importer fixes its catalog root clock. A later importer reads the
    live catalog before it announces and adopts that clock. This holds
    across a 33-bit wrap and a flagged forward break, and across fallback
    cuts once they sit on the epoch's grid. The costs: a later importer must
    reach the live broadcast, a cold co-start must make one importer exit,
    and a rewind still needs a successor epoch with its own anchor.
  2. ✅ (egress only) One importer per epoch, redundancy downstream. This
    is the egress contract now: every exporter reads the same objects. As an
    importer contract it would make the importer a single point of failure.
  3. A narrowed contract. Rejected as the end state. Importers promise the
    same tracks before announcing, and timestamps derived from the input
    only. A standby across a wrap is then 26.5 h off, and the failure shows
    only at the switch. Its refusals stay where 1 cannot apply.

Follow-on decisions from review iteration (maintainer, 2026-10-13):

  • Era selection, after the OpenAI and Codex findings:
    1. ✅ Each timestamp base (the PCR, and each stream's PTS and DTS) picks
      the whole number of periods nearest the incumbent's latest published
      timestamp.
    2. Bound accumulated forward breaks, refusing past a limit and moving to
      a successor epoch.
    3. Choose against the clock's wall reading. Rejected: two accepted +10 h
      breaks put a joiner a full wrap off.
  • Era check, for breaks inside the delivery skew window:
    1. ✅ The joiner verifies its era against one of the incumbent's objects
      before announcing. This also refuses a different stream.
    2. Document the bound instead.
  • Different-stream detection:
    1. ✅ Past the join-time verification, same stream is an unchecked
      operator precondition.
    2. A separate identity check. Not needed, since the era check covers the
      join.
  • History-derived catalog state (passthrough random_access and the
    recorded mux_rate):
    1. ✅ A joiner adopts the live values as of its first group, and later
      changes depend only on content on the epoch timeline.
    2. Publish conservative constants under a shared epoch. This loses
      random_access and the catalog rate that --sync can use.
  • Passthrough cut timing:
    1. ✅ Under a shared epoch, cuts follow media time only. This is an
      explicit exception to max(wall, pts) timers, because a wall-clock cut
      would split a stalled instance from its partner.
    2. Keep a wall path.
  • Anchor after a total outage under a reused explicit epoch:
    1. ✅ An explicit epoch names one continuous run. A supervisor that
      restarts after every importer has stopped mints a successor epoch.
    2. Persist the anchor beyond the live route.
    3. A flag that marks the first importer.
  • Synchronized RTP on an epochless route:
    1. ✅ Refuse it. Whether an explicit SSRC lifts the refusal stays open in
      ts-rtp-egress.
  • Archive replay's --epoch refusal:
    1. ✅ Move it into epoch-refusals, so it lands with the others.
    2. Leave it in replay-catalog, which ranks below the same-epoch work.
  • Subscribe grant for a joining importer:
    1. ✅ Accept the break for publish-only tokens used with --epoch, and
      document it.

Approach

This PR writes the quests for 1, with 2's coordinate for egress:

  • epoch-anchor [M]: one anchor and era per epoch. Eras come from the
    incumbent's live timeline, and any history-derived catalog field is the
    epoch's. A first importer resolves each stream against its own first
    value. A joiner verifies one incumbent object per track before
    announcing. It reads what its relay has now and never waits on the
    cluster. It requires exact catalog clock adoption (catalog-clock-adopt,
    now ranked above it), since Timebase::place floors the wall to
    milliseconds.
  • ts-passthrough-epoch-cuts [S]: fallback cuts on the epoch's grid, using
    media time only. A joiner adopts the live M2ts section.
  • epoch-refusals [S], ready now: import capture, import avc3 (stamped
    from stdin arrival), import rtc --connect, import archive, and
    transcode refuse --epoch.
  • hop-aligned-import, now [M]: group sequences from the epoch timeline,
    including the generated catalog and timeline tracks, announcing once
    tracks are known, and the end-to-end pair.
  • ts-hitless [L]: --sync renders every byte from the objects it has,
    the broadcast's media timeline, the catalog, and a constant rate.
    Continuity counters restart per group, and a slot one leg lacks is
    stuffing in that leg. It refuses a missing constant rate, --stitch, and
    --passthrough. It must settle a loss-independent packet placement: a
    leg missing an access unit cannot know its size, so no later slot may
    depend on it (OpenAI review). Release stays measured acquisition. This
    drops the 2026-10-01 clock.wall + pts + delay release: on a mapping
    fixed for the epoch, a 1 s delay is used up in about 9 h at 30 ppm.
  • ts-rtp-egress [M]: the RTP sequence number and timestamp come from the
    slot grid, and the SSRC from the path and epoch. An epochless route is
    refused. A leg never sends a datagram it cannot fill, including one
    holding a slot it substituted with stuffing.

Under 1, the successor-epoch derivation proposed on Discord carries over: it
derives the new epoch from the old epoch and the last frame's catalog time.
Its premise, that importers share a clock through #5082's shift, is replaced
by adoption.

Impact

  • No code, public API, or wire change.
  • The quests propose:
    • --epoch refused for capture, avc3, rtc --connect, archive, and
      transcode.
    • A joining importer that reads its path before announcing. Its token
      then needs subscribe rights on its own path, which breaks publish-only
      tokens used with --epoch today.
    • moq export ts --sync.
    • An RTP output for TS export.

Alternatives

  • 2 alone: refuse --epoch on TS import until a deployment needs ingest
    redundancy.
  • 3 as the end state. This reverses the 2026-10-05 decision to keep the
    catalog clock in the contract.
  • A wall-scheduled --sync release (the 2026-10-01 plan). Dropped because
    the source clock's drift uses up its delay.

Follow-ups

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

Retire the alignment plan. Same-epoch importers adopt the epoch's first
catalog clock and timestamp era, passthrough cuts fallback groups on the
epoch's grid, and publishers that cannot align refuse --epoch. TS legs
render from the broadcast's media timeline under --sync, and RTP
packetization for ST 2022-7 is its own quest.

Co-authored-by: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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The split between importer alignment, deterministic TS rendering, and RTP packet identity is useful; explicit unsupported-mode refusals are consistent with the current implementation. Two importer invariants need tightening (inline): fixed-clock era selection after accepted forward breaks, and history-dependent catalog state.

For egress, retain an explicit design step for loss-independent packet placement. Constant mux rate defines capacity but does not reveal a missing variable-size access unit's packet positions. Fixed PID/time reservations or a shared packet plan would make that contract implementable; this is a design dependency, not a regression attributed to the documentation patch.

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Comment thread quest/m1/epoch-anchor.md Outdated
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needs subscribe rights on its own path for that.
- The later importer's offset is the whole number of periods (2^33 at
90 kHz for TS) that lands its first frame nearest the adopted clock's
reading. Wall time only selects among candidates a period apart, so any
error short of half a period changes nothing, and it never sets the media
clock. No candidate within that bound means a different stream: refuse to

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[P2] Recover the live source era after accumulated forward breaks

Start the incumbent at PCR 10 h, then accept two flagged +10 h jumps with little elapsed wall time. Both pass the existing half-period step check in passthrough.rs:527–541. The incumbent reaches 30 h, but a joiner sees raw PCR ≈3.49 h and the fixed catalog clock ≈10 h, so this rule chooses 3.49 h instead of 30 h. The pair differs by a full wrap despite receiving the same stream. Specify a live source/media anchor or bound accumulated forward breaks, and add this late-join case.

The half-period refusal also cannot establish stream identity: a nearest candidate x+kP is always within P/2, except an exact tie under a strict bound. An unrelated nearby PCR passes. Verify overlapping source observations/content identity or narrow the different-stream refusal claim.

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Agreed on both, fixed in 0b5ef34. The joiner now picks each timestamp base's era against the incumbent's latest published timestamp, read from the live broadcast, rather than the clock's wall reading, and the tests add forward breaks that together exceed half a period. The different-stream refusal is gone: same stream is an unchecked operator precondition, like the rest of the same-epoch contract. A content comparison before announcing is noted as not planned unless misconfigured pairs show up.

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Tests: per importer, two instances started at different offsets into one
input, including the later one starting after a timestamp wrap the earlier
crossed, publish identical catalogs, group sequences, and timestamps. End to
end: the issues' 1+1 setup (one relay, two `import ts` sharing one `--epoch`,

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[P2] Align history-dependent catalog state too

An incumbent passthrough importer that once makes a fallback or size cut sets all_random_access=false permanently (passthrough.rs:626–627,659). A later importer starting at a subsequent random-access point starts with true, even after clocks and all future groups align. This identical-catalog test therefore still fails under the proposed changes. Specify whether the joiner adopts that sticky capability state or same-epoch mode publishes a conservative common value, and test joining after an earlier fallback cut.

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Agreed, fixed in 0b5ef34. Any catalog field an importer derives from its own history now belongs to the epoch, and a joiner adopts the live value as of its first group. The recorded mux_rate has the same problem, since its windows start at the importer's first PCR. ts-passthrough-epoch-cuts now owns both fields, and its tests cover a joiner that starts after a fallback cut and a recorded rate.

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The pull request updates planning documents for same-epoch importers, epoch-aligned TS passthrough cuts, deterministic TS legs, and TS-over-RTP legs. It adds planned --epoch refusal cases, specifies shared clock and timestamp behavior, and revises test scenarios. It also removes the redundant TS alignment plan and distinguishes TS packet identity from RTP packet identity.

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This change only edits planning documents. A few specification gaps remain: SSRC collision scope, the RTC connect refusal rule, and the epoch-anchor opening wording. Tighten them before implementation; none blocks merging.

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- Around line 37-38: Update the timestamp-candidate rule around the adopted
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stream-identity check before announcing; ensure a different stream is rejected
rather than relying on the impossible condition that no candidate lies within
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unavailable on a leg may be stuffed independently, and define how same-epoch
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- The later importer's offset is the whole number of periods (2^33 at
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P1 Badge Resolve each TS clock against the adopted era

When a standby joins around a 33-bit wrap, its first PTS can be a post-wrap video reference near 0 while a subsequently delivered audio or reordered-video PTS is still near 2^33. The incumbent's per-stream unwrap histories place those values in eras 1 and 0, but the single importer-wide +2^33 offset selected from the first frame places the second value in era 2; TS import has independent PtsUnwrap state per stream, so the advertised after-wrap case can still put one track 26.5 h away. Resolve each independent PCR/PTS base against the adopted coordinate rather than applying one first-frame offset.

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Agreed, fixed in 0b5ef34. Each independent timestamp base (the PCR, and each stream's PTS and DTS) now resolves its own era against the incumbent's live timeline instead of taking one first-frame offset. The tests add a join at a wrap with streams on opposite sides of it.

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reading. Wall time only selects among candidates a period apart, so any
error short of half a period changes nothing, and it never sets the media
clock. No candidate within that bound means a different stream: refuse to
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P2 Badge Add a real identity check before accepting a shared epoch

The proposed rejection cannot identify a different stream: for every timestamp modulo period P, some raw + kP is at most P/2 from the clock by definition, so “No candidate within that bound” never occurs except at an exact midpoint. Two unrelated live streams with similarly phased timestamps therefore pass this check and can publish different bytes under the same path and epoch. Either compare a source/content identity before announcing, or document same-stream as an unchecked operator precondition instead of promising this refusal.

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Agreed, fixed in 0b5ef34: the refusal claim is dropped, and same stream is now an unchecked operator precondition.

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join. The SSRC derives from the route's epoch, so a replacement is a new
RTP stream; settle whether an explicit SSRC is also accepted.

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P1 Badge Refuse epochless routes for synchronized RTP

A route epoch is optional: rs/moq-mux/src/container/ts/export.rs stores it as Option, and the supported legacy/IETF paths intentionally remain epochless. On such a subscription two exporters have no shared value from which to derive this SSRC; a per-process fallback produces different RTP headers, while a constant fallback cannot distinguish replacements. Require an epoch or an explicit/shared SSRC input for this mode, and fail otherwise.

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Agreed, fixed in 0b5ef34: synchronized RTP refuses an epochless route, with a test. Whether an explicit SSRC lifts that is still open.

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…is the epoch's

Record the maintainer's choice of an explicit anchor and era per epoch.
A joiner picks each timestamp base's era against the incumbent's latest
published timestamp, since accepted forward breaks move media time away
from the clock's wall reading. Same stream is an unchecked precondition.
Passthrough joiners adopt the live M2ts section. --sync settles a
loss-independent packet placement, and synchronized RTP refuses an
epochless route.

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The prior identity-refusal and history-dependent catalog findings are addressed in the plan; loss-independent egress placement is now an explicit design prerequisite. Live media time fixes the original post-break late-join example. This is a useful tightening of the contract, but one related acquisition case remains: short delivery skew can straddle enough forward discontinuities for the latest timestamp to select the wrong era (inline).

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whole number of periods (2^33 at 90 kHz for TS) that lands its first value
nearest the incumbent's latest published timestamp. One offset taken from
the first frame would misplace a stream whose first value sits across a
wrap from it. Delivery skew between the two inputs is far below half a
period, so it changes nothing. Add the periods in source ticks before

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[P2] Bound media displacement across the alignment observations

Using the incumbent's latest timestamp fixes a join after the breaks, but small delivery skew does not keep these observations within half a media period. Suppose the joiner is one second behind and its first raw PCR is 10 h. During that second the incumbent consumes two accepted flagged +10 h breaks and publishes 30 h. Nearest-period selection maps the joiner's 10 h to approximately 36.51 h rather than the correct 10 h; after processing the same breaks it remains one wrap ahead. Each +10 h step passes passthrough.rs:527–541.

Correlate an overlapping source observation or retain enough break history to identify its era. Alternatively define and enforce a bound on media displacement, including discontinuities, rather than transport delay alone. Add an acquisition regression whose observations straddle both breaks.

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Agreed, the case is real. Recorded in 6ca0e8a as an open item in epoch-anchor, with a test: breaks totalling half a period inside the skew window still mislead the latest-timestamp rule. The quest leaves two ways to settle it: confirm the era on an overlapping observation before announcing (the incumbent's object at the joiner's first group, which would also catch a different stream), or document the bound. That choice is the maintainer's, so I did not pick one here.

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Separate timestamp-era selection from root-clock adoption.

The opening can misdirect implementation to derive the timestamp era from the root clock. The later rule correctly selects each timestamp base's era against the incumbent's live timeline. Keep these concepts separate because a forward break can make media time differ from the clock's wall reading.

Suggested documentation fix
- timestamps on one coordinate: the catalog root clock that the epoch's first
- importer fixed, and the timestamp era that clock implies. A later importer
- adopts that clock instead of placing its own, and shifts each timestamp
- base by the whole number of the format's timestamp periods that lands it on
+ timestamps on one coordinate: the catalog root clock that the epoch's first
+ importer fixed. A later importer adopts that clock instead of placing its
+ own, selects each timestamp base's era against the incumbent's live timeline,
+ and shifts each timestamp base by the whole number of the format's timestamp
+ periods that lands it on
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Update the opening description to separate the catalog root clock fixed by the
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Comment thread quest/m1/epoch-anchor.md
supply them, so the epoch fixes them once and nothing re-derives them.

- The epoch's first importer places the clock at its first frame, as today.
A later importer reads the epoch's live catalog before it announces and

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P1 Badge Preserve the anchor when every replica is offline

When all replicas stop and their supervisors restart them with the same explicit --epoch, the first restarted importer has no live catalog to read, so this plan treats it as the first importer and creates a new clock and era under the old identity. Same-epoch subscribers can then resume into a different catalog, and after a source wrap the media group numbers can restart in the wrong era as well. Persist the epoch anchor somewhere that outlives the live route, or require a newly minted epoch after a total outage rather than only documenting that a later importer needs a live incumbent. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed that this case exists, and recorded in 6ca0e8a. Persisting the anchor beyond the live route is out of scope, and relays keep no such state. So an explicit epoch names one continuous run, and a supervisor that restarts after every importer has stopped mints a successor epoch, as it does for a rewind. How that is surfaced is settled together with the successor-epoch item, and is flagged for the maintainer.

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`catalog::Timebase::place` or the adoption path that
[catalog clock adoption](/quest/m1/catalog-clock-adopt.md) adds. Its token

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P1 Badge Make exact clock adoption a prerequisite

If this is implemented with the offered Timebase::place path, the existing catalog conversion hang::catalog::Clock::wall_clock floors the incumbent wall to milliseconds (rs/hang/src/catalog/clock.rs:72-77), so an ordinary microsecond-valued root clock is re-advertised up to 999 µs early and the two catalog tracks are not identical. The direct adoption and exact-conversion quests are ranked below this work and are only related, so require/reorder one of them rather than presenting the current placement path as sufficient. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed, fixed in 6ca0e8a. epoch-anchor now requires catalog-clock-adopt, which keeps the wall Timestamp exact, and that quest now ranks above it in m1. The plan says why Timebase::place is not enough: the SystemTime it takes comes floored to milliseconds by wall_clock.

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`--epoch` with `transcode`. Archive replay's refusal belongs to
[Replay catalog](/quest/m1/archive/replay-catalog.md).

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P2 Badge Refuse archive epochs in the first refusal quest

When the quests execute in the documented m1 priority order, this deferral leaves ImportSource::Archive accepted by the default arm of takes_epoch even after the new refusal and same-epoch-contract quests land; Replay catalog, which explicitly plans that refusal because replay rewrites catalog/timeline bytes, sits later under the Archive line. Move the archive refusal here or make that quest a prerequisite, otherwise the CLI still accepts a publisher that can reuse a path and epoch for different bytes while claiming that every accepted importer is safe. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed, fixed in 6ca0e8a. The archive refusal moves into epoch-refusals, and replay-catalog now points there, so it lands with the other four.

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Public API: none new. `--epoch` on an importer reads the live broadcast
before announcing. Wire: none.

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P2 Badge Report the subscribe grant as a breaking API requirement

For deployments whose importer JWT grants only publish, the adoption step above now requires the independently enforced subscribe permission on the same path, so an existing --epoch invocation will fail authorization before announcing. Calling this “none new” also leaves the planned CLI documentation update without this migration requirement; classify and document the new grant requirement as a public CLI/auth contract change, or provide an anchor mechanism that does not require subscription. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed, fixed in 6ca0e8a. The Public API line now calls the subscribe grant a breaking auth requirement for publish-only tokens, and lists doc/bin/relay/auth.md next to the --epoch docs.

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packets on every leg. The sequence number and the 90 kHz timestamp come
from the datagram's position on the broadcast's media timeline, modulo
their field widths, so they survive the 33-bit source wrap and a late
join. The SSRC derives from the route's epoch, so a replacement is a new

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P2 Badge Key the SSRC by path as well as epoch

When two broadcasts from one publisher are sent into the same RTP session, deriving only from the epoch gives them the same SSRC even though their payloads and sequence spaces are unrelated: multi-stage CLI imports deliberately clone one process epoch across all broadcast paths (rs/moq-cli/src/main.rs:530-542), and an explicit shared epoch can likewise be reused for redundant pairs at different paths. RTP receivers then identify both sources as one; derive the SSRC from the broadcast path plus epoch while keeping the two legs of one path identical. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed, fixed in 6ca0e8a: the SSRC now derives from the broadcast path plus the epoch, and the test covers another path changing it.

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…or epoch anchors

The epoch anchor requires exact catalog clock adoption, ranked above it,
since Timebase::place floors the wall to milliseconds. It names the skew
window in which breaks can still mislead era selection, the anchor lost in
a total outage, and the subscribe grant a joining importer now needs.
Archive replay's --epoch refusal moves into epoch refusals. RTP SSRCs key
on path and epoch, and the packetizer learns which slots were substituted.

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The short-skew/forward-break counterexample is now explicitly recorded with a regression scenario. This addresses the planning omission, but overlapping-observation validation versus a media-displacement bound remains a decision to settle before implementation; it is not yet an algorithmic fix. Prefer validation before announcement where feasible.

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…decisions

A joiner verifies its era against one of the incumbent's objects before
announcing, which also refuses a different stream. An explicit epoch names
one continuous run, so a restart after a total outage mints a successor.
Passthrough cuts under a shared epoch follow media time only, an explicit
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The open era-validation decision is now settled: verify matching incumbent timestamp/content before announcement and refuse a mismatch or incumbent departure, with the clustered-forward-break regression specified. This addresses my remaining planning finding. Successor epochs after total outage and media-only shared-epoch cuts are also explicit. Validation before joining is the safer contract.

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Comment thread quest/m1/epoch-anchor.md
incumbent's live timeline, joiners adopting history-derived catalog fields,
and the subscribe grant a joiner needs.

- The epoch's first importer places the clock at its first frame, as today.

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P1 Badge Resolve cross-wrap bases for the first importer

When an epoch's first TS importer starts at a wrap, with the first PES post-wrap but another stream's first PTS still pre-wrap due to interleaving or reordering, this keeps the current Import::handle_pes_start behavior: the first raw PTS fixes era 0 and each stream's fresh PtsUnwrap also starts at era 0. The other stream is therefore placed near 2^33 instead of just before zero, leaving A/V about 26.5 hours apart, and later importers merely adopt that broken coordinate. Unlike the prior standby finding, this case has no incumbent against which lines 39-50 can resolve the bases; buffer or normalize all initial bases, or discard pre-anchor units, before fixing the first clock, and test the first-importer case. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed, fixed in 7cd7893. The first importer now resolves each base against its own first value, using the same nearest-period rule, instead of starting every PtsUnwrap at era 0. The tests now cover a first importer started at a wrap with its streams on opposite sides of it.

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- The joiner verifies its era against one of the incumbent's objects
before announcing: the incumbent's object at the joiner's first group's
time must match it in timestamp and payload. A mismatch exits with an
error, and so does an incumbent that leaves before the check. Decided

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P1 Badge Verify every independently selected timestamp era

When a later TS joiner's first samples from different streams straddle the greater-than-half-period flagged jumps described below, the independent choices in lines 43-50 can disagree by one period. The newly added check compares only one incumbent object, so a matching video object can approve the join while an audio PTS is still 2^33 ticks away; this is fresh evidence beyond the prior per-base fix because selection is now per base but validation remains singular. Verify an overlapping object for every independently mapped published stream or base before announcing. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed, fixed in 7cd7893. The joiner now verifies one incumbent object per independently mapped timestamp base (each track), and the straddle test checks every track.

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- The catalog's root `clock` is the epoch's, never an importer's arrival
(2026-10-05 audit; narrowing the contract to exclude the catalog clock was
rejected). So is every other catalog field an importer derives from its
history, which a joiner adopts from the live catalog.

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P1 Badge Align generated catalog and timeline tracks

When a standby joins after the incumbent has emitted any catalog update or automatic timeline record, adopting only the current catalog value does not align the actual catalog.json, compressed/MSF catalog, or *.timeline tracks. Outputs::emit still appends locally numbered catalog groups (rs/moq-mux/src/catalog/producer.rs:155-168), and timeline::Producer::new explicitly starts records at zero (rs/moq-mux/src/timeline.rs:362-366), so the standby reuses early group or record numbers for newer bytes; metadata subscribers can then stall or receive conflicting content after same-epoch failover. Extend adoption or media-derived numbering to these generated tracks and test failover after prior metadata records, not only equality of the latest catalog value. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

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Agreed, fixed in 7cd7893 in hop-aligned-import. The generated catalog tracks (hang, compressed, MSF) and *.timeline take their numbering and timestamps from the live track at join or from the epoch timeline, never from the instance. The plan names the local group numbering in Outputs::emit, the Timestamp::now() MSF stamp, and timeline records starting at zero. The tests join after earlier catalog updates and timeline records.

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- Two importers that both start before either is live would place two
clocks under one epoch. The later must detect it and exit, so that its
supervisor's restart adopts; settle how it detects it.

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P1 Badge Elect the first importer across relay-local routes

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Agreed that detection through each importer's own relay cannot work in a cluster, and that co-start is routine under a successor epoch. In 7cd7893 the quest records that constraint and leaves the mechanism to settle among three candidates: an external leader or shared anchor, detection through state both importers can see, or co-start as an unsupported precondition. The test now includes a co-start across two clustered relays. The mechanism is the maintainer's call, so I flagged it rather than picking one.

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…ks, clustered co-start

A first importer resolves each stream's first timestamp against its own
first value. The joiner verifies one object per timestamp base. Generated
catalog and timeline tracks take their numbering from the epoch, not the
instance. Cold co-start detection must work across clustered relays, whose
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- The first importer has no incumbent, so it applies the same rule with its
own first value as the reference. Today each stream's `PtsUnwrap` starts
at era 0, so a first importer started at a wrap, with one stream's first
PTS still just before it, places that stream 26.5 h from the others, and
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P1 Badge Choose a nonnegative common era for the first importer

When the first observed PES is just after the wrap and another track's first PTS is just before it, applying the nearest-period rule against the importer's own raw first value places the reference in era 0 while the correct candidate for the pre-wrap track is negative. Timestamp is unsigned and Offset::apply rejects values below zero (rs/moq-net/src/model/time.rs:159-176, rs/moq-mux/src/catalog/timebase.rs:98-112), so this algorithm can only leave the second track in era 0, 26.5 hours away, unless it buffers the initial bases and lifts the whole coordinate by one period before placing the clock. Fresh evidence after the prior fix is that these newly added lines still specify no nonnegative common-era choice, so the required first-importer wrap test remains impossible under the described rule.

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Agreed, my earlier fix missed this. Fixed in 635e128: the first importer resolves its initial bases together before placing the clock, and lifts the whole coordinate by a period when a candidate would land below zero.

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- A group's sequence derives from its first frame's time on the epoch
timeline (the keyframe in the demultiplexed lane, the group's first object
in passthrough), not a per-process counter, so two importers number the
same group alike wherever each started.

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P1 Badge Disambiguate equal-timestamp group starts

When an accepted source emits consecutive groups whose first frames have the same timestamp, deriving the sequence from that time either collides or requires a history-derived occurrence counter. This case is not rejected today: container::Producer explicitly accepts a keyframe at the previous group's start (rs/moq-mux/src/container/producer.rs:1608-1615). A standby joining at the second occurrence cannot reconstruct the incumbent's counter and can therefore reuse the first group's sequence for different payload; define a stable source-carried tie-breaker or refuse equal starts under a shared epoch, and cover that case in the pair test.

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Agreed, recorded in 635e128 in hop-aligned-import. Equal-timestamp group starts need a tie-breaker the source carries, or a refusal under a shared epoch; that choice is left to the quest, and the pair test covers the case.

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- The joiner verifies its era against the incumbent's objects before
announcing, one per independently mapped timestamp base (each track): the
incumbent's object at the joiner's first group's time must match it in

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P1 Badge Avoid waiting on sparse bases before announcing

When a supported one-program TS contains a sparse verbatim PES stream such as teletext or DVB subtitles, requiring one matching object per track before announcement can keep the standby hidden indefinitely: VerbatimStream has its own PtsUnwrap (rs/moq-mux/src/container/ts/import.rs:1410-1419) and these streams are explicitly treated as having no cadence (rs/moq-mux/src/container/ts/import.rs:707-710), so no joiner group may arrive during the gap. If the incumbent then leaves, the specified error exits the standby instead of failing over; derive and verify that sparse base from shared program state, or refuse this TS profile up front rather than blocking the whole announcement on its next cue.

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Agreed, fixed in 635e128. A sparse base with no cadence (verbatim subtitles or teletext) resolves against its program's verified PCR base, so it no longer holds the announcement until its next cue.

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…starts

The first importer resolves its initial bases together and lifts the
coordinate by a period rather than going negative. Sparse verbatim bases
resolve against the program's verified PCR base instead of holding the
announcement. Equal-timestamp group starts need a source tie-breaker or a
refusal under a shared epoch.

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Comment thread quest/m1/epoch-anchor.md
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- The first importer has no incumbent, so it applies the same rule with its
own first value as the reference. Today each stream's `PtsUnwrap` starts

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P1 Badge Resolve timestamp bases introduced after startup

When a supported one-program TS adds an elementary stream after the first importer has already crossed a 33-bit wrap, resolving that stream against the first importer's original own first value selects era 0 instead of the current era. The fresh case beyond the initial-base tests is supported today: Import::handle_pmt applies a good PMT revision and ensure_stream creates the added PID with PtsUnwrap::default(), so its new track can land about 26.5 h from the established tracks. Resolve later-created bases against the current verified program/PCR timeline, or refuse that PMT transition, and cover a post-wrap add. (Written by GPT-5.6 Sol)

AGENTS.md reference: AGENTS.md:L17-L17

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Agreed, fixed in 44c5c3c. Any base created after startup, such as a PID added by a PMT revision after a wrap, resolves against the program's current verified timeline on every importer, and the tests cover a post-wrap add.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Merge summary for 44c5c3c.

The PR body records every decision with ✅: option 1 for importers, option 2's coordinate for egress, the maintainer's follow-on calls from 2026-10-13, and the choices made in review iteration. Each affected quest's Plan records the same decisions.

Review: every OpenAI, Codex, and CodeRabbit finding is fixed or answered in its thread. Codex reviewed 635e128, and its one finding is fixed in 44c5c3c. That push got no new review once CI finished. CI is green and quest check passes.

Still open inside the quests, for their implementing PRs:

  • How a cold co-start is resolved. Local detection cannot work across clustered relays, and a successor epoch restarts both importers together.
  • The successor epoch's anchor.
  • A tie-breaker for groups that start at the same timestamp.
  • The RTP sink shape and an explicit SSRC.
  • The --sync packet placement rule.

(Written by Claude Opus 5.5)

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kixelated enabled auto-merge October 13, 2026 18:36
# Conflicts:
#	quest/m1/hop-aligned-import.md
#	quest/m1/plan-ts-alignment.md
#	quest/m2/ts-hitless.md

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Automated review by review (OpenAI)

Reviewed 9b09b0d against updated base 8f0dfa7, including cumulative changes since previously reviewed 7931d36.

The main merge preserves the alignment fixes. Per-track verification, a nonnegative common initial era, sparse/later-created timestamp bases, and generated catalog/timeline tracks are now covered explicitly. The post-start timestamp-base issue is addressed in the plan (#5412 (comment)). Reusing the verified program timeline is preferable to independent ad hoc wrap choices.

No new actionable findings. Clustered co-start coordination, successor anchors, equal-timestamp group numbering, and loss-independent egress packet placement remain explicit implementation decisions, not implemented guarantees. Earlier findings remain addressed.

Static repository-only review of the documentation changes and relevant surrounding code; no tests run or external RTP/ST 2022-7 conformance validation performed.

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kixelated added this pull request to the merge queue Oct 13, 2026
Merged via the queue into moq-dev:main with commit 559a307 Oct 13, 2026
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Every importer sharing an explicit epoch derives its catalog clock, eras,
and history-derived catalog fields from the epoch and its source alone, so
all stay live and none adopts or exits. Supersedes #5412's first-importer
adoption, join-time verification, subscribe grant, and successor epoch after
a total outage.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5.5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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