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Problem

A lite-07 relay keeps its routes loop-free with Babel's distance: it uses a neighbour only when that neighbour is cheaper than the lowest cost the relay ever advertised. The reviews of moq-dev/moq#8487 found bugs in what rests on that, and the maintainer reopened the choice (moq-dev/moq#8514): the distance, or the route's path alone with a withdrawal that names the hop that died. The numbers that chose Babel in October compared it with a path per broadcast, so they do not answer this.

Approach

Tests only. Nothing in the router, the wire, or the draft changes.

• route/tests/paths.rs: a prototype router on paths alone, one route per publisher. A switch turns each further part on, so the table shows what each buys.
• route/tests/compare.rs: one script on the prototype and on today's Router. A round delivers every queued message once, so a round is one hop of delay. It counts, per change: route messages, claims sent again, hops to settle, deliveries after which some relay's next hops loop, relays whose route does not lead to the publisher, and relays with no route while a path exists.
• route/tests/copies.rs: the cached-copy case of cache-aware routing on the prototype.
• route/tests/residual.rs: each finding of fix(net)!: a lite-07 route names the nodes it crossed, and is never feasible where it has been #8487's reviews pinned as today's router behaves, and the rules a replacement must keep.
• benchmark_route_rules and benchmark_route_churn print the tables below to stderr, and run nightly. Nightly's report records their message counts, which they print to stdout.

The parts of the prototype, in the order the comparison called for them:

Part	What it does	Why
Paths	A relay uses the cheapest route whose path does not name it.	The plan's candidate.
Dead hop named	A relay that loses a session names that hop. Every relay drops every route through it, whoever offered it. One message per session covers every publisher.	The plan's candidate.
Holds	A relay with no route keeps its claims, shown unavailable, until the neighbours that learned the route from it have answered: with another way, or with nothing once those behind them have answered.	Without it a detour through a neighbour that routed through you drops every claim and sends them all again.
Doubt	A closed session casts doubt on the node at its far end. No relay moves to a route through that node until the doubt lifts: after a time, or when the node advances an epoch it floods.	A dead relay is reported one neighbour at a time, so relays switch to each other's stale routes.
Copies	A relay with a reader offers a route to its copy of that one broadcast, at no cost of its own. A relay already pulling moves onto another relay's copy only if that relay ranks below it.	Cache-aware routing. Without the rank two relays that start together trade copies for good.

Results

Mean per change. 24 relays, the mesh sweep's sparse shape (a random spanning tree plus up to as many links again), 16 seeds, two publishers with four claims each.

The publisher's relay dies, its neighbours noticing one hop of delay apart:

Rule	Route messages	Hops to settle	Deliveries with a loop	Claims sent again
Today (distance)	276	12.6	0	1
Paths	1,837	17.4	808	1,961
+ dead hop named	496	9.5	8.8	554
+ holds	247	17.8	8.7	38
+ doubt for 4 hops	124	16.7	0	6
+ doubt for 32 hops	117	15.4	0	0.2
+ doubt until an epoch	178	14.9	0	0

A link relays route over closes, and every relay still has a path:

Rule	Route messages	Hops to settle	Relay-rounds with no route	Claims sent again
Today (distance)	244	15.7	152	52
+ dead hop named	117	6.2	18	121
+ holds	74	6.2	18	19
+ doubt for 4 hops	100	12.0	104	37
+ doubt for 32 hops	98	40.2	556	38
+ doubt until an epoch	199	7.3	40	30

One link closes in a clique of 24, by publishers on one relay:

Rule	Messages, 1 publisher	Messages, 8 publishers	Hops to settle
Today (distance)	621	5,024	7
+ holds	22	22	1
+ doubt for 4 hops	44	198	5
+ doubt until an epoch	617	778	3

Random churn, the script behind sweep_no_route_outgrows_a_loop_free_path (400 meshes of 3 to 5 relays, links flapping, relays restarting, random delivery order), 120,000 steps:

Rule	Steps with a loop	Route messages
Today (distance)	0	49,000
Paths	3,103	36,594
+ dead hop named	144	37,085
+ holds	84	36,216
+ doubt for 4 hops	32	31,219
+ doubt for 32 hops	32	30,215
+ doubt until an epoch	34	60,269

What the Goal asked, answered:

• Loops. Today's router never loops. Paths alone hunts through stale paths: 65,219 messages and 49,815 looping deliveries for one publisher leaving a clique of 12. Naming the dead hop ends the hunt. What is left loops only when a relay with several neighbours dies, and doubt removes that in every table row. Under churn 32 steps in 120,000 still loop, where two unrelated things fail in the same instant.
• Stale routes. After a publisher leaves, every rule clears in about the same relay-rounds (79.5 for the distance, 70.3 for the rest): a relay cannot know before the news crosses the mesh. A dead hop is remembered only while a neighbour's route still names it, and no stale route returned after that in any sweep.
• Messages. See the tables. The distance costs per publisher (a hold, a request, an end, and an echo each); a named dead hop costs per session.
• A longer way round. 15.7 hops of delay for the distance against 6.2: it waits for the publisher's next seqno.
• A cached copy at a neighbour no closer to the publisher. The prototype joins it (a_relay_joins_a_copy_no_closer_to_the_publisher). The distance cannot: the neighbour's cost, 13, is not below the relay's own, 11, which is the check moq-dev/moq#8457 makes.
• What a reader sees when its only route goes. Today and with holds, its claims turn unavailable and then go offline. Without holds they go offline at once, and come back as new claims if a way round turns up.

Decisions

Asked 2026-11-11 (maintainer), with the tables above.

1. Which rule. ✅ Paths, the dead hop named, and holds, with doubt on a timer. The maintainer: "do we need epochs if we hold routes for 1s like today? Paths + holds I think? Epoches are a bit scary in terms of messages". The timer was then measured (the doubt rows above): it removes the loops with no message, and costs a wait on every detour through the far end of a closed link. Rejected: epochs, which resolve that wait in a couple of hops but flood a message per session on each relay-to-relay close; keeping Babel's distance. The timer's length is the model's and the router's to settle.
2. Where the prototype lives. ✅ m1 (moq-dev/moq#8528).

Choices made without asking

• Holds and doubt go beyond the two candidates the plan named. The plan's "paths alone with a withdrawal that names what died" drops and re-sends claims and loops when a relay dies. I added the parts one at a time, each behind a switch, so the table shows the candidate as planned and what each part adds.
• The rank between copy carriers. Found by the cached-copy case: two relays that start carrying in the same instant each move onto the other's copy, see their own path come back, move off, and repeat for good (two_copies_started_together_settle_on_one_uplink pins both). The rank is a hash of the broadcast and the carrier.
• A publisher counts as a client, which passes no route on, on both routers. Otherwise each flap of a publisher's session cast doubt on its relay.
• How a relay dies in the harness. Nothing passes to or from it from that instant, its neighbours notice one hop of delay apart, and a route through it counts as stale whether or not its neighbour has noticed. Today's router advances a publisher's seqno when a session its route went out on closes, as route::Node does, and not when one opens.
• What Nightly records. Its report keeps only columns it has a unit for, and hops, relay-rounds, and reader events have none. So it records route messages, claims sent, and looping deliveries, for the 24-relay meshes alone: 608 series. The whole table still prints, to stderr.
• Bare paths is not run on a clique of 24. It grows as the factorial and times out.
• The forgotten claim is pinned by a new two-step script. The script from the review passes on main since fix(net)!: a lite-07 route names the nodes it crossed, and is never feasible where it has been #8487. A search found another in 33 tries: a relay loses a link, then a neighbour narrows what it asks for.
• The prototype's limits. No scoped grants, qualified keys, interests, GOAWAY, priorities, upstream marks, or RTT. Holds, doubt, and the rank pass these sweeps and no model: the model is where they are proven or replaced.

Impact

None on the wire or the public API. Nightly gains two benchmarks, about 4 seconds in release.

Alternatives

See Decisions.

Follow-ups

No new quest. This PR finishes the prototype quest, deletes it, and edits the quests that own what comes next:

• The routes epic (Plan item 27) and Cluster routing's "Keep Babel" bullet record the pick and what it was measured against.
• quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/scope-model.md models the picked rule, and lists what it must prove or replace: every hold ends, what the doubt's timer costs when it fires early, what bounds a loop while messages are in flight, and that no stale route returns once a dead hop is forgotten.
• quest/m2/cluster-routing/routes/scope.md says the route rule changes too. Removing the distance, the seqno, ROUTE_REQUEST, and the echo is not planned yet: it needs /quest-plan before that quest starts, since it touches the wire, the draft, and js/net.
• quest/m2/cache-routing-proof.md and quest/m3/cache-routing/README.md record what the cached-copy case showed.
• quest/m3/route-keep-next-hop.md points at the rule that now stands.

Other PRs:

• moq-dev/moq#8457 proves the one-hop warm route on Babel's distance, which this pick replaces. It should not land as it is.
• moq-dev/moq#8479 (the mesh model) and moq-dev/moq#8443 (js/net) build on today's router, which stands until the router quest.

Checks

• just check: passed.
• Both benchmarks, release, under the bench profile as Nightly runs them. sh/gh/bench-report.py reads their JUnit report: 608 series, all in messages.
• After the fixes for CodeRabbit's review, all 805 rows of both tables are the same as before them.

Models

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Implementer: Claude Code, claude-fable-5-2, high effort
Implementer: Claude Code, claude-fable-5-2, high effort (iterate, S)

Review

Rewritten by quest review after each round.

• Reviewer: Codex, gpt-6.1-sol, high effort
• Session: 01a1cd6b-3d06-7902-8324-f7724d6fd18c, round 3
• Head: 53d52ba
• Base: origin/main at 1c08d2c
• Score: 10/10, The incremental changes correctly stop crashed-relay timers, preserve active copies through doubt, and expose benchmark measurements to Nightly; code review found no new issues.
• Findings: none

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Decisions asked of the maintainer in the session (2026-11-11), with the tables in the description:

1. Which rule keeps a route free of loops and stale copies? Offered: paths with holds and epochs (recommended), paths with holds and no epochs, keep Babel's distance. Answer: "do we need epochs if we hold routes for 1s like today? Paths + holds I think? Epoches are a bit scary in terms of messages". I then measured the doubt on a timer (the "doubt for 4 hops" and "doubt for 32 hops" rows): it removes the loops with no message, and costs a wait on detours through the far end of a closed link. Recorded as: paths, the dead hop named, holds, and a timed doubt, in the routes epic's Plan item 27.
2. How the prototype lands, since quest start refused the quest under m2. Answer: move the quest into m1 (moq-dev/moq#8528).

(Written by Claude Fable 5 with high)

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Walkthrough

The change records a selected path-based routing design and adds a test-only path router and simulator. A comparison harness evaluates routing-rule variants across mesh changes and churn. New tests cover cache-copy routing and scoped claims. The nightly Rust test branch also runs the ignored route-rule and churn benchmarks.

Merge Risk: Low · up to 53d52

This PR only adds test and benchmark code and leaves the router, wire, and public API unchanged. Nightly should now ingest both route benchmarks. One reported column, claim_messages, actually counts claim items, so it overstates message counts. Fixing the label or the counter is a small change and not a merge blocker.

Pre-merge checks: 4

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The title names a test-only change: it measures a paths-alone route prototype against Babel's distance. The changeset adds test-only prototype routers (paths.rs), a comparison harness (compare.rs), cached-copy and residual tests, and nightly benchmarks, all of which match this title. The title covers the main point, though it omits the cached-copy and residual tests and the decision recorded in the quest docs.

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The description is specific to the changeset. It explains that the PR adds test-only route prototypes (paths.rs, compare.rs, copies.rs, residual.rs) that compare path-based routing with the distance-based Babel router, states that no router, wire, or draft changes are made, and lists the two nightly benchmarks. It also gives the decisions, results, checks run, and follow-up quest edits. These match the raw summary's file list and the objectives. The description is detailed and on-topic, so the check passes.

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rs/moq-net/src/route/tests/compare.rs: 1

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Check the claim that Change::Withdraw removes.

This change removes Mesh::claim(1), but Lab::check() checks only Mesh::claim(0). A no-op withdrawal therefore passes this scenario. Assert that claim 1 disappears after settlement, then returns after restoration. Keep the existing check for claim 0 to verify that the withdrawal does not affect another claim. (raw.githubusercontent.com)

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Review comment at @rs/moq-net/src/route/tests/compare.rs around lines 827 - 829:
Update the withdrawal scenario using apply so it verifies that Mesh::claim(1) is absent after settlement and present again after restoration. Keep Lab::check()'s existing verification of Mesh::claim(0) to ensure the withdrawal leaves that separate claim unaffected.

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Exercise timed doubt in the copy fixtures.

All four fixtures test BARE, CAUSES, and EPOCHS, but none tests Rules::waits(...). Epoch messages and timer expiry release doubt through different paths. Add a timed-doubt variant to these fixtures, and advance its timers before settle() reports completion. Otherwise the copy-swap and copy-withdrawal assertions do not exercise the selected configuration. (raw.githubusercontent.com)

The PR objectives select paths, named dead hops, holds, and timed doubt.

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Extend the `Rules` variants used by all four copy fixtures to include a timed-doubt configuration via `Rules::waits(...)`. In that variant, advance the relevant timers before calling `settle()` so the copy-swap and copy-withdrawal assertions exercise timer-based doubt release as well as the existing epoch-based cases.

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Review comments at @rs/moq-net/src/route/tests/compare.rs:
- Line 946: Update both benchmark headers in the route tests so measured count
columns use names recognized by measurement_unit(), following the mean_messages
convention in mesh_sweep.rs. Keep workload-dimension columns unchanged; do not
broaden generic count handling in the parser.

Review comments at @rs/moq-net/src/route/tests/paths.rs:
- Line 686: Update `source()` to keep the reader’s current next hop eligible
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name `self.hop`. Add a regression test using `Rules::waits(4)` and
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session to a node on the copy path, and verifies the reader keeps the warm copy.
- Around line 1266-1267: Update PathSim::tick to skip relays that have exited
after crash while continuing to track their state until kill resets them; do not
call node.tick() for those relays. Preserve ticking for active relays and the
existing restart flow between sever and reset.
- Line 1224: Update kill so closing each live peer uses sever(node, peer)
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survivors detect the session closure and preventing the crashed relay from
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Review comments at @rs/moq-net/src/route/tests/compare.rs:
- Around line 827-829: Update the withdrawal scenario using apply so it verifies
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restoration. Keep Lab::check()'s existing verification of Mesh::claim(0) to
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Review comments at @rs/moq-net/src/route/tests/copies.rs:
- Line 92: Extend the `Rules` variants used by all four copy fixtures to include
a timed-doubt configuration via `Rules::waits(...)`. In that variant, advance
the relevant timers before calling `settle()` so the copy-swap and
copy-withdrawal assertions exercise timer-based doubt release as well as the
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