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For A reader can tell when its track is live. Once the bug below is fixed, no public live signal is needed, so this PR finishes the quest and deletes it.

Problem

The quest says a player needs a live signal to skip the old cached groups a warm relay copy serves while it waits on a fresh upstream subscription. I checked what a reader actually gets from an idle copy:

• While idle, a reader already gets nothing. The readable() gate (moq-dev/moq#4741) holds every cache read until the route answers and the answer shows.
• Once live, cached groups are served by the reader's ranges and max_delay, as a cold relay would get them from upstream.
• The bug: a relative start taken while the copy is idle, such as Range::live(), resolved against the newest group the ended feed left. In a copy holding 0..=3 whose route answers at 4, a Range::live() reader got [3, 4], not [4]. That stale group is what the quest wanted callers to skip by hand.

Fix

Relative anchors count back from the newest group the live feed produced, None while the copy is not live. A start taken while idle waits, as one on an empty track does, and settles against the newest group when the feed goes live. That group is at or past the route's answer, and never below a cache the route disowned (live_floor).

• TrackState::latest_live() replaces the raw newest_produced wherever a window resolves.
• Each feed's anchors live inside its Feed variant: Live { first, edge }, Idle { newest } (was idle_newest), Answered { from }. first_produced becomes Live's first, set when the feed goes live, so leaving a feed drops what it set and a later state cannot read an ended feed's answer (raised in review).
• Feed::Answered to Live goes through go_live().
• readable() counts an end only once it is reached (is_complete()), not merely declared. Before, an idle copy that had announced a future end served its stale cache, and anchored relative starts on it, before the route answered. That case was raised in review.
• set_live records the group the route answered (Live's edge). Relative starts count back from the newer of it and the newest produced group, because a datagram can show the answer before any group does (raised in review).
• A relative start that waited on an idle copy settles from latest_live() unless the feed went live, so a copy that ends without going live anchors at its newest group (raised in review).

So Range::live() is the "start at the live edge" mode on a warm copy too, and largest() already waits out an idle copy (moq-dev/moq#5924). A player needs neither a signal nor a hand-skip.

Public API and wire impact

• No new or changed items. Behavior change only: on a relay copy waiting on a fresh upstream answer, a relative start resolves at the live feed's latest group, and Subscriber::floor() stays None until then. The Anchor and floor docs say so. Not breaking, so no MIGRATE.md entry.
• No wire change. JS is untouched: its tracks never go idle, so Range.live was already right there.

Decisions

Settled 2026-10-22: the user, away, asked to proceed with every recommendation.

1. ✅ No public live signal. Nothing is served before live, Range::live() now starts at the live edge, and largest() waits for live, so a signal would be redundant. Rejected:
   • live() / poll_live() -> Poll<()> plus is_live() on track::Subscriber and track::Ordered. Only a "waiting for upstream" UI would use it, and in JS it is a constant.
   • A public poll_live() -> Poll<Option<Position>> reporting the buffered edge. It gives readers two "largest" values that disagree.
2. ✅ The publishers' poll_live, latest_sequence, and JS wire.ts Broadcast.largest, hooks.latestSequence, hooks.bufferedLargest stay private as private: passthrough. The buffered edge is a wire-answer detail (SUBSCRIBE_OK, TRACK_STATUS Largest), and a custom publisher answers with largest(). Main has since dropped the pending:/private: markers and their lint (moq-dev/moq#6581), so no marker work remains and the quest is deleted rather than rewritten. Rejected: folding them into a public signal, and moving the publishers onto largest() now (a follow-up below).
3. ✅ Serve nothing before live, and resolve relative starts against the live feed (implemented). Range::oldest() and buffering Relative(n) readers keep the cached groups their max_delay holds, as a cold relay would. Rejected: withholding every cached group below the route's answer, which breaks warm-equals-cold, and a "start at the live edge" flag, which is redundant with Range::live().

Consumers

Any relative start served by a relay copy. That covers a relay serving a downstream Range::live() or Relative(n) subscription, moq-c's relative anchors (MOQ_ANCHOR_RELATIVE, and through it the bindings), and its raw reader's live start.

Tests

model::track:

• a_relative_start_on_an_idle_copy_counts_from_the_live_feed: Range::live() gets [4] and Relative(1) gets [3, 4], and floor() is None while idle. Fails on main with floor() == Some(3).
• a_relative_start_on_an_idle_copy_waits_for_the_answer_to_show: a group the route resends below its answer does not anchor the start. Fails on main with [4, 5].
• a_relative_start_on_an_idle_copy_skips_a_cache_the_route_disowns: after an empty answer, the start resolves at the first new group, and floor() never names a disowned group. It fails without the live_floor filter in latest_live.
• an_idle_copy_with_a_future_end_waits_for_the_live_feed: an idle copy with a declared, unreached end serves nothing to a Range::live() or oldest reader until the route answers. On the previous head, the Range::live() reader got [3] while idle.
• a_relative_start_on_an_idle_copy_counts_from_a_datagram_edge: a resumed feed whose first event is datagram 4 anchors Range::live() at 4, not at cached group 3.
• a_relative_start_on_an_idle_copy_that_ends_counts_from_its_newest_group: an idle copy that finishes without going live serves a waiting Range::live() reader [3], not [0, 1, 2, 3].
• an_idle_copy_that_ends_forgets_an_earlier_datagram_edge: a copy a datagram put live at 4 that idles and then finishes serves a waiting Range::live() reader [3], not [].

Review status

Every review finding is addressed or answered in its thread. After Codex's fourth round, the maintainer chose to fold each feed's anchors into the Feed variants (df61b64) rather than reset them by hand. No decisions remain open.

just check and quest check pass. Not run: just test interop --all, since there is no wire or moq-ffi change.

Follow-ups

• Simplify the "latest" readers. moq-audio, moq-video, moq-cli play, and moq-room chat wait for largest() and then raise their floor. They can subscribe with Range::live() directly now.
• Move the publishers' wire answers onto largest(). This follows the relay rule (report upstream state, not the cache). But largest() can name a frame the hop does not hold yet, and the IETF Largest Object semantics need checking first.

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Relative subscription starts now resolve from groups produced by a readable live feed, rather than from cached groups produced before the feed became live. The track records the live anchor when the feed becomes readable and keeps range resolution pending when the feed or route answer has not caught up. Tests cover idle producers and delayed or incomplete answers. The quest documentation now describes private passthrough markers for publishers’ live-edge reads.

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On relay copies, some relative-start subscriptions can anchor to stale cached groups or to a group that is not yet visible, so they can start from the wrong group or wait on one that is not yet available. These are edge cases in how the PR resolves relative starts, and both should be fixed before merging.

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Merge summary:

• Merged main to resolve the quest/m1/README.md list conflict, keeping the rewritten "Live edge passthrough" entry.
• Codex's fourth round found that an idle copy kept an ended feed's datagram edge. Per the maintainer, each feed's anchors now live inside its Feed variant (Live { first, edge }, Idle { newest }, Answered { from }) in df61b64, so no later state can read an earlier feed's answer. Regression test: an_idle_copy_that_ends_forgets_an_earlier_datagram_edge.
• All earlier review threads were checked against the code and resolved. Codex approved the final head.
• just check and quest check pass, and CI is green. Not run: just test interop --all, since there is no wire or ffi change.

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Merged main (0ccf3eb) to clear the conflict in quest/m1/track-live.md. The code merged cleanly.

Main dropped the pending:/private: markers and their lint in #6581, so the [XS] marker leftover this PR had rewritten the quest into has no work left. This PR now finishes the quest: quest rm deleted quest/m1/track-live.md and its links in quest/m1/README.md and quest/m2/readers-range-live.md. I updated the PR body to match.

Checks: just check and quest check --base origin/main pass locally, CI is green, and Codex gave a thumbs-up after the merge. Enabling auto-merge.

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